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		<title>By: How to write for public sector clients (without going crazy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>How to write for public sector clients (without going crazy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 10:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a committee. You should never accept writing by committee unless you enjoy the torture of handling conflicting comments, regression to the mean, and spiritless copy. Instead, ask the person in charge of the project to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michelle Quintana</title>
		<link>http://www.procopytips.com/copywriting-revisions/comment-page-1#comment-4630</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Quintana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 21:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gang,

Here&#039;s a doozy for &#039;ya-all! Recently I was hired by a client to re-write her entire website. As I understood the project, the client would have me write each page, review, approve and move on to the next page. The client advised me that she had hired a second copywriter to come up with a &quot;different creative angle&quot; since our styles were very different. That was mistake #1. I completed the home page copy, the client loved it, then did not get back to me for 4 weeks! In the meantime, the other CW was writing away on her end. After 4 weeks of tirelessly being placed on hold, I was able to get ahold of the client and firmly but professionally confront her. I was advised that she had already chosen the other CW&#039;s work over mine and that she would &quot;dovetail&quot; my copy with that of the other CW&#039;s. Additionally ( and here&#039;s where the story get good) she would not be paying me the 2nd half of my deposit! I decided right then and there to fire the client and call it a very expensive learning experience. The takeaway lessons in all of this is:
1. Never accept a job where a another CW will be working on the same project as you.
2. Avoid clients who are very confused and unclear about the direction of their project even if you provide a creative brief before the project begins.
3. Never sign-off on anything that lets the client get out of their project if they are not going to use your copy ( my mistake)
4. Be crystal clear with the client that the fee is due and payable regardless of who&#039;s copy they decide to use.

A very expensive lesson in-deed but hopefully this will help other CW&#039;s avoid this type of client like a yeast infection!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gang,</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a doozy for &#8216;ya-all! Recently I was hired by a client to re-write her entire website. As I understood the project, the client would have me write each page, review, approve and move on to the next page. The client advised me that she had hired a second copywriter to come up with a &#8220;different creative angle&#8221; since our styles were very different. That was mistake #1. I completed the home page copy, the client loved it, then did not get back to me for 4 weeks! In the meantime, the other CW was writing away on her end. After 4 weeks of tirelessly being placed on hold, I was able to get ahold of the client and firmly but professionally confront her. I was advised that she had already chosen the other CW&#8217;s work over mine and that she would &#8220;dovetail&#8221; my copy with that of the other CW&#8217;s. Additionally ( and here&#8217;s where the story get good) she would not be paying me the 2nd half of my deposit! I decided right then and there to fire the client and call it a very expensive learning experience. The takeaway lessons in all of this is:<br />
1. Never accept a job where a another CW will be working on the same project as you.<br />
2. Avoid clients who are very confused and unclear about the direction of their project even if you provide a creative brief before the project begins.<br />
3. Never sign-off on anything that lets the client get out of their project if they are not going to use your copy ( my mistake)<br />
4. Be crystal clear with the client that the fee is due and payable regardless of who&#8217;s copy they decide to use.</p>
<p>A very expensive lesson in-deed but hopefully this will help other CW&#8217;s avoid this type of client like a yeast infection!</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Becker</title>
		<link>http://www.procopytips.com/copywriting-revisions/comment-page-1#comment-4051</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 16:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dean, 

I suppose I am fortunate that our copy revision issues are minimal, anymore (although when it does happen, points one and two are often the most common).

On every estimate, we always include that revisions are inclusive unless there is a change in the strategic or creative direction, which generally addresses those two most common points. 

I also take care and teach staff to analyze any suggested revisions by asking if they are good, lateral, or bad. We praise the good, accept the lateral changes, and attempt to provide explanation on those that are bad. If the client insists, we&#039;ll make the changes while recognizing that they are probably not the right client. It&#039;s less effort to replace them. :)

Overall, I have to say that I&#039;ve become accepting of the few changes that come back to us. The only one that doesn&#039;t sit well with me is the &quot;I dunno, it just doesn&#039;t strike me&quot; comments that provide no real semblance of direction. But again, that is usually indicative of someone who doesn&#039;t need to be our client. 

All my best, 
Rich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dean, </p>
<p>I suppose I am fortunate that our copy revision issues are minimal, anymore (although when it does happen, points one and two are often the most common).</p>
<p>On every estimate, we always include that revisions are inclusive unless there is a change in the strategic or creative direction, which generally addresses those two most common points. </p>
<p>I also take care and teach staff to analyze any suggested revisions by asking if they are good, lateral, or bad. We praise the good, accept the lateral changes, and attempt to provide explanation on those that are bad. If the client insists, we&#8217;ll make the changes while recognizing that they are probably not the right client. It&#8217;s less effort to replace them. <img src='http://www.procopytips.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Overall, I have to say that I&#8217;ve become accepting of the few changes that come back to us. The only one that doesn&#8217;t sit well with me is the &#8220;I dunno, it just doesn&#8217;t strike me&#8221; comments that provide no real semblance of direction. But again, that is usually indicative of someone who doesn&#8217;t need to be our client. </p>
<p>All my best,<br />
Rich</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Rieck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Rieck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew, 
Thanks for the kind words. I love your site colors and design. Looks great. But it&#039;s making me hungry for a big juicy tomato.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew,<br />
Thanks for the kind words. I love your site colors and design. Looks great. But it&#8217;s making me hungry for a big juicy tomato.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Needham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Needham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I discovered this blog thanks to Joshua @ the underdog millionaire.  I&#039;m really pleased he has, there&#039;s some great stuff here.

I agree with Joshua, if the pain doesn&#039;t justify the reward, then firing your client can be a very good option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I discovered this blog thanks to Joshua @ the underdog millionaire.  I&#8217;m really pleased he has, there&#8217;s some great stuff here.</p>
<p>I agree with Joshua, if the pain doesn&#8217;t justify the reward, then firing your client can be a very good option.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Tony Mack and Dean Rieck, John Domzalski. John Domzalski said: Revisions Gone Wild: How to handle endless copy changes: It’s happened to all of us. You take on what seems... http://tinyurl.com/2wsqxrd [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Tony Mack and Dean Rieck, John Domzalski. John Domzalski said: Revisions Gone Wild: How to handle endless copy changes: It’s happened to all of us. You take on what seems&#8230; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2wsqxrd" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2wsqxrd</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Rieck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Rieck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua, 
You&#039;re right. I&#039;ve only done it a couple times, and it was only in response to outlandish behavior. This is no different from what any other business owner would do. Trouble is, too many writers have a subservient attitude and think they have to take it to keep the client, when what they should be thinking is &quot;Do I really want to work with clients like this?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua,<br />
You&#8217;re right. I&#8217;ve only done it a couple times, and it was only in response to outlandish behavior. This is no different from what any other business owner would do. Trouble is, too many writers have a subservient attitude and think they have to take it to keep the client, when what they should be thinking is &#8220;Do I really want to work with clients like this?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Black &#124; The Underdog Millionaire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Black &#124; The Underdog Millionaire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes you just have to fire your client as well. Of course revisions and serious re-writes can happen from time to time, but there are a few customers out there that love to cause trouble. 

Every now and then you need to get your dignity back and just fire the customer, saying thank you, but you no longer need their business. This can be a really big help when you are down. 

-Joshua Black
The Underdog Millionaire</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes you just have to fire your client as well. Of course revisions and serious re-writes can happen from time to time, but there are a few customers out there that love to cause trouble. </p>
<p>Every now and then you need to get your dignity back and just fire the customer, saying thank you, but you no longer need their business. This can be a really big help when you are down. </p>
<p>-Joshua Black<br />
The Underdog Millionaire</p>
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		<title>By: Brooke Crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooke Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Painful to read this blog (because it has happened so many times), but very true.  Good tips...especially about laying down the law at some point and limiting the revisions.  We deal with this in the agency a lot.  Have to take each client on a case-by-case basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Painful to read this blog (because it has happened so many times), but very true.  Good tips&#8230;especially about laying down the law at some point and limiting the revisions.  We deal with this in the agency a lot.  Have to take each client on a case-by-case basis.</p>
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